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escalates the fight on the w economy. is the debt ceiling negotiable? your thoughts? send us a tweet or post your comment on facebook. you can also send us an e-mail. president obama held his last official news conference of the first term yesterday in the east room of the white house. here's what he had to say on the debt ceiling debate. [video clip] >> republicans and congress have two choices. they can act responsibly and pay america's bills or they can act irresponsibly and put america through another economic crisis. but they will not collect ransomed in exchange for not crashing the american economy. the financial well-being of the american people well-being is not a leverage to be used. the full faith and credit of the united states is not a bargaining chip. they had better choose quickly, because time is running short. the last time republicans in congress even flirted with this idea, r. triple-a credit rating was downgraded for the first time in our mystery, our businesses created the few jobs in any month in nearly the past three years, and the whole fiasco added to the deficit. ho
: the dow is trying to turn positive. cheryl, i do not think we go anywhere until we fix this debt ceiling fight. cheryl: they are coming up with at least a recommendation. i am sure there will be an argument in d.c. ashley and melissa have got you covered. ashley: another argument in d.c., never? melissa: shocking. [ laughter ] we do have breaking news. learning a vote on the debt ceiling coming as early as next week. the details of the bill and reaction from peter welch straight ahead. ashley: one american remains missing in the u.s. says they will not go she ate hostage swap with terrorists. stephen hadley is our special guest this hour. ashley: energy companies facing off against a formidable opponent. they are losing. ashley: do not mess with the chicken. that is all i will say. especially with the prairie chicken. time for stocks now as we do every 15 minutes. nicole petallides. nicole: we are not to far off the unchanged line. you sneeze and you are in the positive territory. intel has been weighing on the dow jones industrials. that has been one of the things holding them back. the
, next week we will authorize a three-month temporary debt ceiling increase. that was the announcement from the majority leader of the house republicans announcing they are giving up on what they had been saying for months was their plan, to not approve an increase in the debt ceiling to thereby push the country again into a self-imposed economic crisis and threat of defaulting on our national debt and all the panic we know that causes because they did it before in 2011. and eric cantore announced today they are not going to do that again even though they had been saying for months that they would. they gave up today on that threat. that's why the vix panic index stopped panicking today. that's the nice kickoff for what should be a nice weekend for the president. >>> new second term official portrait. to refresh your memory, this is the first term one. same flag pin, similar blue tie, i guess. lots more gray up top. i don't know why they decided to go from the close cropped i.d. photo look from the first term to the i'm standing here in my office and i'm happy to be here look. i kind o
dermott's reaction to the president's tough talk on the debt ceiling. e.j. dion and ruth con connaught on whether the republicans will actually listen. >>> one month after sandy hook, he has the president's gun recommendations. >> will spineless republicans kill reform? one threats impeachment if the president signs an executive order on guns. dan gross of the brady campaign is here with reaction to the president's comments that the nra is joining up fear to sell guns. >>> and former secretary of state colin powell calls out republicans on race. >> there is also a dark -- a dark vein of intolerance in some parts of the party. >> dr. james peterson janes me to discuss the republican response. >> good to have you with us tonight, folks. thanks for watching. president obama took on the single greatest threat to the global economy today, the republican party. the president used the final news conference of his first term to throw down the gauntlet. after years of deliberate confusion by republicans, president obama set the record straight on the debt ceiling. >> now, the other congressionally imposed
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set the record straight on the debt ceiling. >> now the other imposition is called the debt ceiling. something most americans had not heard of before two years ago. so i want to be clear about this. the debt ceiling is not a question of authorizing more spending. raising the debt ceiling does not authorize more spending. it simply allows the country to pay for spending that congress has already committed to. >> and of course republicans tried to trick americans into believing the debt ceiling was a blank check or magic credit card for the president to go spend whatever he wanted to spend. of course, the united states constitution gives the power to spend to congress. the result is the money congress has already borrowed. president obama explained to the american people in congress how they're trying to do their actual jobs. >> these are bills that are racked up. and we need to pay them. so while i'm willing to find compromise on how to pay our debts, americans should not be stopped from paying the bills we racked up. >> the country will be in a dire situation. president obama knows
ceiling, the house gop considering on raising the debt limit. we'll bring you more details and the senate judiciary committee, patrick leahy announced he'll be taking up issues of gun violence and immigration in the new term. republicans and democrats recently announced senate committee assignments and we'll talk about that as well. this afternoon the president kicked off the national day of service volunteering at a school here in the d.c. area. tomorrow he will take the oath of office in a private ceremony at noon. nbc's kristen welker is at the white house. nbc news senior political editor mark murray standing by with new insight from the new nbc news wall street journal poll. let me start with you. for folks who may not get this, a lot of folks wondering why is the president -- he's going to be sworn in on sunday and sworn in again on monday. what's the deal? >> reporter: well, craig, the reason is that the constitution states that the president has to be sworn in before noon on january 20th. january 20th falls on a sunday this year. it's the seventh time that happened in the nation's
in exchange. >> that's a warning shot from president obama on the debt ceiling deadline, making it clear he's not going to negotiate with the gop insisting on using it, but the president facing a gop unwilling to negotiate with him. a in lawmakers is newly elected congressman ted yoho, a tea party backed conservative. great to have you here. we appreciate your time. congratulations, as you were just recently sworn in. you have made a real name for yourself so far by saying that you really want to make john boehner accountable for what he's doing there on the hill. our first team is reporting that the chief goal of obama's press conference was to -- for raising or not raising the debt ceiling. then this morning former house speaker newt gingrich weighed in saying the gop congress is coming out a loser. >> it's a threat they can't sustain. no one is going to default. no one is going to allow the united states to not pay its bills. no one is going to accept the economic costs. it rallies the entire business community to the president's side. i don't think we should pick fights where we are in
more people care about that issue than the debt ceiling. >> bill: they get too full of themselves. the problem with the front row particularly the press corps is they represent different networks. they all want to talk about let's say, for example guns. they all want to be on camera asking the question about guns and it doesn't matter if somebody else has already asked the question five different times in five different ways, they're still going to ask it so they can get on camera. that's what's wrong with the press briefings. >> thank you very much for your tweet. >> if you go to the newseum web site and you look at what the country is talking about it is a rich quilt of different issues, different ideas that people around this country are discussing. and the washington press corps questions of one or two topics doesn't even big to cover -- begin to cover what reporters around this country are reporting on, talking about. that disconnect is really jarring, i think. >> bill: it is jarring. i remember as a reporter in los angeles and a comment tater in los angeles, covering preside
a new plan to eliminate the debt ceiling, claiming the gop is exploiting the issue for political gain. doug mckelway is live in washington with more on the democratic plan and the road ahead. hi, doug. >> reporter: hi, jenna. this democratic plan in a nutshell would basically do away with the statute that calls for the debt ceiling in the first place, allowing spending in effect to go up and up and up without the artificial cap that the debt ceiling is indeed. democrats are explaining this in a press conference right now as we speak, so we'll be learning a lot more about it as the day progresses. republicans obviously deeply opposed to this thing, fearful that democrats will indeed use it to allow spending to go up and up. here is senator john barrasso speaking on fox news this morning. >> we have a spending problem in this country. people all across the country know it. they know it in wyoming. families have to balance their budget every year. many states do. we do in wyoming. it is time for the senate and the house and the president to get serious about limiting our spending and spe
the u.s. economy and the fed's role in monetary policy. he called on congress to raise the debt ceiling in the release of u.s. can pay its bills. he spoke at the gerald ford school of public policy. >> thank you very much. it is also my great pleasure to welcome all of you here today. on behalf of the gerald r. ford school of public policy, the university of michigan is extremely honored to welcome the hon. ben bernanke, chairman of the board of governors of the federal reserve system. today's conversation is the latest in our series of distinguished lectures, policy talks at the fort school. we're so pleased that region white can introduce to the events and we're also very president marye sue: here today as well as -- we also have several of the university's executive officers and beans. i would like to welcome all of them and thank them for joining us today. it is an honor and truly personal pleasure to introduce our next guest. the fed's charges to provide a healthy economy. this is a complex and critically important mission and it makes the person at its helm one of if not the most
that will coalesce. debt ceiling discussion, debt ceiling and the fact that the federal government will run out of money at the end of march. >> all those bring a confluence of an opportunity to drive a debate and drive changes that get us towards long-term prosperity and get us off of this notion that we can just continue to borrow and spend. >> reporter: it is clear most republicans want there to be spending cuts as part of these fiscal matters as they work on long-term extensions or solving these problems long term. jenna. jenna: mike, if we're hearing this, then the white house is probably hearing this as well. any reaction from the white house about potentially this plan from republicans? report or the jenna, --. >> reporter: jenna white house officials are saying if congress doesn't want to raise the debt ceiling they should authority rise president obama to do it himself. they should extend it so it doesn't cause concern for the economy and global markets. >> longstanding tradition for the congress to raise the debt ceiling. this is power they have given themselves, the point is without
to be a little breezy as well. meanwhile the problem break through on the debt ceiling. the house gop said they are considering raising the debt limit for three months, a vote is scheduled next week, more details on that in a bit. >>> today, of course is the last full day of president obama's first term and it's the national day of service. day for giving back. earlier today the president and first lady volunteered at a school in the washington, d.c. area, nbc's ron is standing by the national day of service day tent at the mall and you have a special guest there with you as well, good day to you, sir? >> reporter: hey there, craig. my special guest is being mobbed by the crowd behind me. it's the senior adviser to president obama. she will make her way here in a second. as she comes up, we will give her a big welcome. welcome, valerie. pleasure to see you. >> pleasure to be here. can you believe the crowd? it's amazing. >> reporter: the president and first lady created this to really hopefully make it a standing tradition for inaugurations going forward. >> not just inaugurations, my mess
the nation's debt ceiling. you saw pete sessions, the rules committee chairman, filing that rule on the house floor a moment ago. they met this afternoon to discuss the flan which would require both chambers of commerce to pass a budget plan by april 15 or have their salaries withheld. the debt at $16.4 trillion. the meeting is an hour and 20 minutes. >> i want to welcome our -- three of our four witnesses that are here. it's always a fun thing to see a star of the show, everybody wants to get their autograph. mr. chairman, welcome to the rules committee. we're delighted that you're here today to discuss h.r. 325, a very important bill. and i noticed the former chairman of the committee, the ranking member, is here. we also welcome her testimony that will begin. we'll give mr. brady a chance to get here, but the chairwoman, the head of the house administration committee, the gentlewoman from michigan, and delighted that you are here. as always, the rules committee is delighted that you've taken time, both we were excited about your presence today. a chance for you to be before the committee a
right this guy -- maybe this time he means that he is not going to negotiate on this debt ceiling. do you sense that's what is coming out of this? or is there a darker path that they are trying to follow? >> well, what has me so intrigued are the at attentions between the house republicans and the republicans in the senate. if you look at the sequestration and automatic budget cuts, it looks like the house wants to try to blame the senate if things fall apart. so they can say now the burden is on the senate which they have to agree to an overall budget deal by april. and then they can say at that point we'll deal with the debt ceiling. so it was a way to put some pressure on mitch mcconnell. but mitch mcconnell seems to think that okay we'll pass a budget in the senate and then use that as possible leverage with the republicans in the house who might hold up the debt ceiling. >> michael: that makes perfect sense that that is what they are trying to do it is really just passing the buck. the white house held a firm line on saying we're not going to negotiate at a
to duke it out over the debt ceiling, one said we should get rid of it all together? does ben bernanke have a point? >> the nra releases a new target practice ap for kids as young as 4. >> we have a packed show for you this morning. mike thompson joins us and greg walden is our guest. the congressman and newly crowned miss america, mallory hagen will be joining us. tuesday, january 15th and starting point begins right now. . >>> welcome to starting point. after years and years of lying to the world, lance armstrong is finally coming clean. there report he's confessed to oprah winfrey and he used drugs to win his titles. sources say he is in talks to have some of the millions he was paid by the postal service to sponsor the tour. cnn's ed is live in austin, texas. let's talk about what he told oprah and what the next steps are for lance armstrong. >> the big question will be to what extent did he confess and how much detail is he going to offer? also from the standpoint of how did he offer it and what was the body language there? lance armstrong is an athlete who is vehement in his deni
are not a deadbeat nation. we have to pay our bills. is he winning this debt ceiling battle? i know you have written about this on slate. >> i think he is winning intel correct annually and emotional and probably politically with the public but it remains to be seen what congress is going to do. we haven't seen a lot of engagement with congress yet. the debt ceiling somewhere between february 15th and the end of february, early march. we don't know quite exactly where it will be. we don't know whether john boehner and the republican house will look him in the eye and say we are not doing anything. it's a mystery right now. >> in fact, politico reported this week over housealf of house republicans say they are willing to shut the government down if they don't get the spending cuts that they are demanding as a price for raising the debt ceiling. >> that is what they are saying. it's still far enough out so that it could all be posturing. even if i accept it -- and i do -- that half of the house members actually believe that as we get closer, as the pressure builds, c
about the debt ceiling. remember, president bush was in office at the time, so senator obama would probably be against some of the things he was talking about, particularly the debt ceiling. the senator called it irresponsible to increase the debt. listen to then-senator obama. >> the problem is that the way bush has done it over the last eight years is to take out a credit card from the bank of china in the name of our children, driving up our national debt from $5 trillion for the first 42 presidents. number 43 added $4 trillion by his lonesome so we now have over $9 trillion of debt that we are going to have to pay back, $30,000 for every man, woman and child. that's irresponsible. it's unpatriotic. >>steve: there you've got the president, back then senator, back in the day saying that president of ours, he's running up the bills, and it would be unpatriotic what he's doing. and we cannot raise the debt limit. forward to his administration, and i think this is going to be the fourth time he has asked congress to up the debt ceiling. of course what he said is, i know the republic
we're going to do, we're going to pass a three or four-month extension of the debt ceiling. then we're going to get into a fight on the sequester and hold the line of the sequester. this is a promise the leadership is making to us. as long as they keep that promise i think many conservatives will be ok with that. then when we get to the debt ceiling fight we're going to ask for at a minimum the one--- the one-for-one cuts that come from the boehner rule for any long-term debt ceiling extension system of if we look at that, it means that in 10 to 15 years, with very little help from the democrats, we can achieve a balanced budget which is much better than even the 23- to 27 -- better than the 23 years to 27 years and obviously better than the never balancing budget obama and the democrats have proposed for the last four years. so you look at all the data out there. all the public opinion polls say that the american people think we're spending too much money. that the american people think that we are taxing too much. but the problem is that as republicans, i think this goes to what r
economy hostage. if the house can pass a clean debt ceiling increase and meeting the existing obligations we will be happy to consider it. here we are as i said three days before inauguration and it looks like another fight that the republicans are not prepared to it seems to follow through on despite the threats. >> zachary and i were having a conversation in the green room and i said i don't understand the meaning of a second inauguration for the president. i get it now. the reason we need another inauguration is apparently one party doesn't understand we had an election in november and they lost. which means that you move on and you let the president be the president of the united states. these guys still want to fight the old battles of 2012. >> but they're giving this extension now. >> a three-month extension. the white house should tell them to go shove it. you can't run a government three months at a time. you have to have a long-term planning. bad for the markets. bad for the country. bad for the economy. let's make clear, definitive decisions. you lost. let's come together and co
the debt ceiling for three months. what this bill will actually do is set a provision that if the senate does not pass that budget in three months then their pay checks would be withheld, so that's the enforcement mechanism. it actually doesn't require any promise that the senate do its budget. there's conceiveably still the thought that they could not do the budget and not get paid. host: so then the house would respond in kind? tell us a little bit then why use this as a mechanism? >> the strategy here is they are trying to go on offense again, because they had a brutal holiday stretch of sort of failed negotiating ploys and in-fighting and they are trying to turn the tables so people will talk about why went to democrats cut spending? one way they can do that is by talking about the fact that the senate hasn't passed a budget in four years. it's uplimited value there's a conventional wisdom that it's not that important but when the people in the country hear that the senate hasn't passed a budget which sounds like a basic failure of their duty and it's an effective talking point the r
for the eurozone, as well, it's not just about the debt ceiling, they have to get the debt down. the debt ceiling may get raised, but it's not being tackled long-term. >> it seems every single time consistently we get the opposite outcome. which means some areas are consistent and it raises debt levels going forward. >> it seems to me as though we can't fix this one because democratically it's not possible. why? because there are so many verses who are automatically vote to increase the debt because the number of people who own entitlements or benefits is relatively high. and i think you're seeing this failure both in the u.s., in germany and to an extent in the uk. >> the trouble is for all of those economies maybe some of the european ones are under pressure by the government. but the problem is, if you look at issues in the u.s., they're just so low. there's no ability to cut in the long-term. how do you push through entitlement reform and address those issues, especially if there's no market pressure right now? >> my sense is that you don't. i don't understand how that can be achieved and, th
across the country. >> we're going to change to debt ceiling now. white house leader eric cantor says the gop -- they're going to give them a three-month reprieve, they're going to temporarily approve a debt limit increase. the president said no negotiating on the debt limit ceiling. is this a victory for the president or do you see this as just a postponing of the inevitable standoff? >> it's both. it is a victory for the president, the republicans have been saying, we're not going to raise the debt ceiling unless we have every dollar of the debt ceiling goes to spending of that same amount. they've conceded they're going to extend the debt ceiling without any cuts. but that moves us to now where government funding expires on march 31th. at that point, we'll have a s w showdown in which republicans insist on spending cuts. there will still be some kind of fight. we will have a clock to some kind of catastrophic event that could happen, like we had in december. but it would not be with the debt ceiling. the republicans seem to have conceded to the obama. they're worried that obama ha
to do and authorize an increase in the debt ceiling so we can pay our debts. i think that is what will eventually happen. i do not think the going often the other direction would be that helpful. >> -- that going off in the other direction would be that helpful. >> i am a second year at the board's school. does the debt ceiling still have a practical purpose? could it be eliminated without much consequence? >> it has got symbolic value. maybe one or two other countries, but essentially no other countries and the world have this particular institution. the congress appropriates $100, tells the government to spend $100 on whatever, and then it raises $80 in revenue through its tax code. the arithmetic here says, you have to borrow $20. no, congress has to give a third 100-80 = says the 180at 20. logically, there is got to be something to make up the difference. the way to address it is by having a sensible plan for spending, insensible span foplar revenue. as i was saying before, this is like a family saying, we're spending too much. let's stop paying our credit card bill. that is n
, gun control, immigration reform, debt ceiling. the president is going to try to lay out a grand vision. his aides say he wants talk about it coming together but others suggest he wants more division. >> he is going to talk about our political system doesn't require us to resolve all of our disputes, but it does require to seek common grouped. he'll make that point that people in washington need to seek common ground. >> i was surprised to see him transition his campaign committee to have an effort on the washington debate because it doesn't seem to me that the lesson of the first term worked out very well. >> roy blunt saying that what he wants to see and beyond is more presidential leadership. the president's aides say he'll talk about the leadership but more of a grand vision as we have seen in many addresses, especially in the second term, president bush and is the clinton, they tried to shape a vision. he will fill in the policy details whether he goes back to the capitol hill. >> arthel: ed, thank you very much. did you know that each inauguration has a seen. tomorrow it's called
of president obama, house republicans have floated a new plan they say will extend the debt ceiling for three months, but also cut congressional paychecks if mr. obama and the democrats don't agreed to deep spending cuts by april. steve handelsman says the gop has just grabbed the headlines two days before the inauguration. >> reporter: washington is almost ready. massive security, barriers going into place, bleachers along pennsylvania avenue for monday's inaugural parade. and the president atviewing stand, bulletproof and fancy, rebuilt every four years but since a huge crowd full of hope saw the first swearing-in, america has lowered its expectations. only 35% in the nbcs in/"wall street journal" poll says the country is headed in the right direction. as president obama's news portrayed is released, his approval stands at 52%. his likability at 61%, but only 29% say he is working effectively with congress. and today there's more conflict. responding to the president's declaration that he won't negotiate over the debt ceiling, republicans backed down. they raised the borrows limit but just
sides when it comes to president and congress, this debt ceiling fight. >> that's right. although now we're seeing some of the temperatures lower there because every was expecting for this to be during the last time out, republicans saying let's deal with this for the next three mos, deal with the longer one later. the white house encouraged -- they're encouraged by what they're hearing but clearly it's not going to be easy. but certainly i think not as contentious as we were thinking in the short term. >> we'll see how that relationship develops if at all or e vovls throughout the next term. dan, thanks very much. john has some of the other headlines this hour. >>> including the manti te'o story. twists and turns if that mysterious case of the notre dame linebacker and his fictitious girlfriend. notre dame linebacker says he was the victim of a cruel hoax. he spoke off kacamera with espn jeremy schaap and said as recently as last wednesday he believed his girlfriend was real person even know he never met her. schaap says he seemed believable and sincere throughout the interview. >> i ca
of the debt ceiling, whether the country falls into recession again? is that the way to go about it? >> the debt ceiling it is truth. think about this, can dirk the first time in our country. >> reminding people president himself, when he was in the senate, voted against the debt ceiling, these people that he is suggest want the country to go into default are doing the same thing when he was a senator, he changed his mind. absolutely not. did he vote against. he has spoken to that that was a political vote answered has learned from that but at the time, congress wasn't threatening to say we are not going to pay our bills unless we get what we want, deeper cuts in medicare than required or tank the economy. this false equivalence needs to stop. the barrier to progress here is not the president. we need more republicans in congress to think like republicans in the country who are seeking compromise, seeking balance, because we are poised here to really grow. if washington can do its part and not get in the way, our economies continue to grow, we can make big progress. >> this a presid
separate from the debt ceiling. >> raising the debt ceiling does not authorize us to spend more. all it does is say that america will pay its bills, and we are not a deadbeat nation. >> clearly house speaker john boehner thinks differently. he responded by saying, quote, the american people do not support raising the debt ceiling without reducing government spending at the same time. >>> these pens are designed to be used only by one person, but an investigation discovered that many of them were used on multiple people. >>> are you in hawaii or going there anytime soon? surfers, beware. check out this video. it's a real-life jauss. two sharks were swimming dangerously close to the show. can you believe it? look at that. you could wade in and be bitten, eaten. last year there were a total of 11 shark attacks in hawaii. >> that's what i call dangerously close. >> oh, my goodness. >> so some people in the southeast waking up to the dual danger of flooding and ice. alexandra steele in the weather center. good morning. >> good morning, guys. each snow potentially for you around new york c
, and for very good reason. if what they're say something we're not going to play debt ceiling leverage anymore, which has obviously been the president's position, that's good. my feeling is it's probably the latter. i think there are enough kind of economic grown-ups in the room to really control the folks who have threatened to use that kind of leverage. >> but the senate has not had a budget resolution pass through the senate in, what is it, four years now? >> april, 2009. >> that feels to me pretty shameful frankly. i don't know the politics and i'm not exactly sure why that's the case, but isn't that a critical step in bridging the gap and making progress on these issues where you can not go to these sort of extra legal things like using the debt ceiling as leverage, but you can use the process as it is intended to be used. >> i agree, and it's an interesting quid pro quo for the republicans to agree to the first three months of extension of the debt ceiling. >> and to hold their own pay hostage. we won't pay ourselves. >> even though i think the debt plays better outside and holds more le
momentarily. a day after president obama told congress to raise the debt ceiling without delay, we are getting a similar warn from this leading credit rating agencies. reporting that fail tower increase the debt limit in time could cost the country's credit rating. s&p stripped the u.s. of its triple-a rating after the disaster over the debt in 2011. members of congress are asking for spending cuts to go along with the increase in the borrowing authority. but the president insists they are two separate issues. what is happening in washington, d.c.? >> reporter: house speaker john boehner says the american do not support raising the debt ceiling without cutting spending at the same time. boehner calls the debt an anchor on our economy. here's the leading senate republican, making his point. >> it's sort of like you have a kid who exceeds the credit card limit. you tear up the credit card, but you look at the spending. the republicans are willing to pay for past bills. these are about future bills. the president is missing the point that we are on an unsustainable path. >> reporter: portman ackn
the sequestered, the debt ceiling, and you have the continuing resolution. the sequestered and debt ceiling fall on top of each other towards the end of february. these to say and republican leadership and the senate, which is served in for 12 years, you never take a hostage you cannot shoot. the problem with the house was they took hostage the cannot shoot when they took the fiscal cliff. if the republican members of congress take the debt ceiling as a hostage, it is a hostage you cannot shoot. as a very practical matter, if we go over the debt ceiling, we do not increase the debt ceiling, republicans will not win the debate. they will argue they are not increasing it because they do not want to control spending but they will not win the debate. what will happen is the white house will pay with cash flow of the interest on the debt. the debt will not be called. what they might not pay our social security checks. the moment the american citizen figures out they may not go out, the game is over. tenfold. because believe me, though congress can stand up to the senior lobby. so that is not a legiti
. i mean, i think it would be, frankly, another disaster if republicans try to use the debt ceiling, to force dollar-for-dollar budget reductions. i don't see that as a winner for them, and i can't imagine at least the party establishment is now seeing that as a potential winner for them. i mean, you know, face it. the president won the election. and he laid out a program and a philosophy, and he won the election on it. and i think as long as republicans are going to take the stance that he didn't win and that, in fact, they won and therefore they get to do things their way, i don't think -- i don't see how that's going to help them get out of that 14% hole. >> eugene, nbc.com had a very interesting way of putting it this morning, a very nice tag which is that what the electorate is looking for right now is not so much hope but a president who can cope. it's all about coping, not so much hoping. do you think that this kind of poll suggests that he is going to be able to deliver on that message of coping? >> well, you know, first of all, i think that's right. i think that, you know,
house republican leaders backed away from threats to use the federal debt ceiling to force cuts in spending agreeing to vote on a new debt limit increase that will last until mid april. the house republicans' new plan would give congress time to pass a budget for the next fiscal year. if no budget is passed house republicans say they'll withhold members' pay. in a statement house majority leader eric cantor said, quote, we must pay our bills and responsibly budget for our future. next week we will authorize a three-month temporary debt increase to give the senate and house time to pass the budget. furthermore if they fail to pass a budget in that time members of congress will not be paid by the american people for failing to do their job. no budget no pay. the president's apparent victory in the debt ceiling skirmish comes three days after the house finally passed a $50 billion aid package for victims of hurricane sandy that the white house had proposed. the vote on tuesday was another show of weakness for republicans as the gop leadership let the bill come to the floor despite
a little mini cave on the debt ceiling, and it looks like they are going to be willing to extend the debt ceiling for three months with which is the cover of the new york times this morning, and what is that about? what is happening? >> well, it seems they are trying to line up their opposition to the president, this debt ceiling trying to line it up with two other big economic situations that we are going to be faced, that is to continue resolution that we common call the c.r. to keep the government running which expires the first of march. and then of course, we have the so-called, i don't know what to call it, but it is not the cliff, but it is not what i would call it. >> the curb. >> yes, the curb beginning to kick in, and we need to work with that and i think that they are trying to line it up to camouflage whatever they may do, which i think will be to vote to let the debt ceiling go up. >> okay. so i should not see this as we say in the black church, a "come to jesus" moment, but in washington they say we are outmanned on this, so we will have to give the president his way, becaus
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